Dubplate ID's

[Digital Delight]

Hi guys. Was wondering if any of you could identify the following tunes. All are off dubplates so may never have been released.

The first 2 samples are off a dubplate which on one side has "Pascal" written on it, and i think DJ Hype has had something to do with it aswell (the first one sounds very much like Hype).

The third sample is i suspect an unreleased tune by the people from Dove Recordings. I have included the two main vocal riffs in the sample. Certainly sounds like their style, and the tune on the other side of the dubplate is Bogle Boom by LDM which was released on Dove. "Sleepless Nite" is written on the label for the unknown tune.

The last 2 samples are off a dubplate which on one side has "Gappa's Mix" written on it (probably Gappa G), and on the other side says "Techno Mix" (this mix sounds like a Formation Records / DJ Ratty style tune to me.

So see if you can put a name to any of these beasts for me if they were ever released into the wild!

Thanks in advance

[iamdek]

SleeplessNiteDub.mp3

Dr. Jay & DJ Rush Puppy - Morning Rush EP
track AA1

[hektikal]

that hypedub a lot of people are afer..

"i'm sorry, i don't understand"

wicked track

got the mp3 of it in the same lame quality..

shame the record is crackled up like that

Do you got the accetate yourself of this one?

cheers.

[Digital Delight]

Yeah Hektikal ive got all the acetates sampled in this thread. Like you say, shame about the quality of the Hype/Pascal acetate, its pretty badly damaged, but hey its maybe the only one around so was still willing to part with some cash for it!

[Digital Delight]

Cheers for that one iamdek, do you know if the other tunes on that EP are of a similarly ruff style!

[hektikal]

Yeah Hektikal ive got all the acetates sampled in this thread. Like you say, shame about the quality of the Hype/Pascal acetate, its pretty badly damaged, but hey its maybe the only one around so was still willing to part with some cash for it!

Don't know really,

Think there are a few around of this one..

I've got 2 acetates from "dubwar"
The one you here on the dj Tango set @ dance planet..

dubplatewarz - Putfile

the b side is a strange mix of johnny jungle.

Luckely those are kinda "mint"

I cleaned them out a bit and made wav/mp3 files of it..

You know how it goes with acetates

Can you try to clean it as best as it gets and do the same?

Send me a snip of it and maybe we talk about the same acetate.. then there's only one left

keep in touch

Joe.

[Digital Delight]

Does anyone know how to SAFELY clean dubplates? Ive got some regular vinyl cleaner, but not brave enough to try it incase it ruins it!

[hektikal]

Does anyone know how to SAFELY clean dubplates? Ive got some regular vinyl cleaner, but not brave enough to try it incase it ruins it!

I recommend the use of
nonionic, ethylene oxide condensates surfactants to clean sound
recordings. The CCI does not foresee long-term problems
associated with the use of nonionic surfactants such as
Tergitol. Tergitol 15-S-3 is an oil soluble surfactant and
15-S-9 is a water soluble surfactant. Combined they remove a
wide range of dirt and greases and can safely be used on sound
recordings. Use 0.25 part of Tergitol 15-S-3 and 0.25 parts of
Tergitol 15-S-9 per 100 parts of distilled water. The recording must then
be rinsed
thoroughly with distilled water to eliminate any trace of
detergent residue.

Keep an airgun handy to blow off light surface dust.

Grooved discs

Grooved discs are best cleaned using a record cleaning machine
such as the Keith Monks, VPI, Nitty Gritty using 0.25 part of
Tergitol 15-S-3 and 0.25 parts of Tergitol 15-S-9 per 100 parts
of distilled water. These machines allow for an even dispersion
of fluid and can then vacuum the liquid leaving a clean, dry
surface. The discs must then be rinsed thoroughly with
distilled water and vacuumed dry to eliminate any trace of
detergent residue. Records should be cleaned before each
playback.

Clean acetate discs showing signs of palmitic acid deposits
(white greasy substance on acetate disc surface) as if cleaning
LPs, except add 1 part ammonia per 100 to the Tergitol cleaning
solution. Do not use ammonia on shellac based discs.

You may also want to consult the ARSC Journal Volume 28, No. 1
(Spring 1997) for a good article on cleaning acetate discs.

Joe.

[Digital Delight]

Wow! Now thats what you call a comprehensive answer! Thanks Hektikal

[hektikal]

Wow! Now thats what you call a comprehensive answer! Thanks Hektikal

Saved that from a previous topic on another forum..

I forgot to tell to play the tracks backwards..

seems to help a bit too

Hope you can send me the one on mp3 later on then

check ya pm mate..

Joe.

[z_chromozone]

Be careful here guys when cleaning acetates My advice is to really not bother, most of the deterioration in the sound quality is caused by ware of disk its self not surface material. The vinyl acetate used to cover the disks is very soft and sparingly soluble in a whole range of solvents including alcohols and water.

Using an oil based detergent on an effectively hydrophobic polymer surface may lead to inclusion of the detergent into the base polymer and almost certainly a coating of the surface (you may not be able to detect this by listening).

Standard vinyl records (PVC) on the other hand are a different issue, use of standard high purity solvents (methanol, ethanol, iso-propyl alcohol combinations) is just fine for removing grease deposits.

I bath my PVC records at work in different alcohols and blow dry with dry nitrogen to remove residue.

Acetates are only supposed to last a few plays.

I’ll check into any suitable solvents, but don’t hold your breath.

Z (PhD Organic Chem)

[Digital Delight]

Thanks for the update Z. I know that dubs arent made to last forever, and the sound quality will naturally deteriorate, but some of mine have got finger marks and general grime on them which i wouldnt have minded getting rid of. But at the end of the day as you say, its maybe just best to leave them be. I just asked the question incase there was some simple, safe way of cleaning them that i wasnt aware of. Having said that, ive got some acetates that are in incredible condition considering they are around 14 years old!

[z_chromozone]

Just a few more tips for recording acetates (in case anyone is interested).

Using a set of 1210's with 10p pieces on top of the cartridges and the tracking weights set to max will ware you plates out far faster than a properly set up light weight cartridge HiFi deck.

I think my HIFi Goldring cartridge tracks at 1.8g, you can probably get twice the number of plays using this compared to attacking the thing with the "scratchmaster driller killers" mounted on my decks.

Z

[djsk3tchy]

OMG that second dub (pascal) is just as good as ''im sorry i don't understand'' anyone know what it is yet?

[Digital Delight]

Ok guys I've finally managed to ID one of these tracks. Gappasmixdub has been confirmed by Gappa G as an unreleased track done by him and AK47. So now we know!